This article was written in 2009 but is still useful to understand the motivation behind New Labour - from the global financial crisis through the over-regulated, surveillance society to the break up of the UK into nationalities.
The past lives of Labour Ministers have long been sanitised and many biographies that include their shady communist and Marxist pasts are inaccessible or removed from the net. The truth about these guys is similar to discovering that leading Tories were members of the Nazi Party. If you are a British voter and do not think that this is important then I despair for British politics. Had these people taken jobs in industry their past might be forgotten and forgiven but they continued in left wing politics and even today boast of being "Stalinist" or International Socialist (or in Blair's case, Trotskyist).
Peter Mandelson (first Secretary of State and Labour Supremo):
"Mr Mandelson was born into a Labour family - his grandfather was a Labour Cabinet minister Herbert Morrison - but he rebelled and joined the Young Communist League after Labour supported the United States' intervention in Vietnam. It was during this period that he attracted the well-documented attention of the MI5 intelligence service."
BBC Biography
He, along with Clarke and other labour politicians spent time in Cuba in 1978 (see below - Cuba was the main training camp for Cold War terrorists and subversives).
Charles Clarke (one time Home Secretary and Education Secretary)
"He was educated at Highgate School and later King's College, Cambridge, gaining a BA in maths and economics. Mr Clarke was president of the NUS from 1975 to 1977 before becoming a councillor in Hackney from 1980 to 1986. Interestingly, as a radical Marxist he spent a whole year in Cuba, organising the 1978 World Youth Festival, which was also attended by future New Labour modernisers Peter Mandelson, Paul Boateng (ex Chief Secretary to the Treasury) and Fiona McTaggart (ex Under Secretary of State)."
Guardian
Profile
Alistair Darling (Chancellor of the Exchequer):
"Darling attended the University of Aberdeen and earned a Bachelor of Laws. In 1977, Darling was a supporter of the International Marxist Group, part of the Trotskyist Fourth International."
Evening Standard article
Alan Johnson (Home Secretary)
Johnson, currently Home Secretary, is quoted as saying: "I wasn't a Trot," he insists. "I was more CPGB [Communist Party of Great Britain]. I did consider myself to be a Marxist - I read more chapters of Das Kapital than Harold Wilson."
New Statesman biography
John Reid (one time Minister of Defence, Home Secretary and Northern Ireland Secretary):
"I have known John Reid as a Communist, as a member of the Scottish Labour party and now as a general in the New Labour Army. His march across this ideological battlefield has been seamless with not a hint of embarrassment. But John is an able person, one of the most able in New Labour's high command. They put him up to deliver the message. And they are right, he is a very capable, articulate figure," said George Galloway, the Labour MP for Glasgow Kelvin.
Guardian
letter
Bob Ainsworth (Minister of Defence)
"In a number of newspaper stories last week, it was suggested that the latest Defence Secretary, Bob Ainsworth, had been - at the age of 30 - a 'candidate member' of a body called the 'International Marxist Group'. The IMG, originally associated with the prominent student revolutionary Tariq Ali, was a Trotskyist group active in the 1970s and 1980s, whose members at one stage adopted the slogan "Victory to the IRA"."
Daily Mail
Steven Byers
Stephen Byers was once an activist in the Socialist Workers Party.
Alan Milburn (one time Health Secretary)
Marxist. "He famously worked in a Marxist bookshop in Newcastle formally called Days of Hope".
Charlie Whelan (Ex advisor to Gordon Brown)
Communist party member: "John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few - belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain" Observer article August 2002 - see below.
David Triesman (once General Secretary of Labour Party)
Communist party member.
Gordon Brown:
"While Tony read for the bar, Gordon was doing his doctorate on James Maxton an idealistic Clydeside MP from the Marxist ILP."
BBC Biography
The decision to give Gordon Brown his first and only safe seat, Dunfermline East, was made by two T&G officials: Hugh Wyper, the regional boss and a Communist Party member , Deputy Director of the TUC and KGB agent, Alec Kitson.
Jack Straw (Minister of Justice):
Joined Labour Party at 14!
According to his own letter in the Independent newspaper Jack Straw is a Self avowed stalinist . (The Independent has now removed Straw's letter to sanitise New Labour).
President National Union of Students 1969-71 (aged 25).
A quote from someone who knew him at that time:
"Novelty and staying power were combined only in the third kind of student politics, student unionism. This did not really exist before 1968-9. Its arrival was signalled by the election of Jack Straw to the presidency of the National Union of Students in 1969 at the head of a slate backed by something in the shadows called the 'Left Caucus'. And its existence was consolidated by the election of Digby Jacks as Straw's successor in 1971. Jacks was (and was widely known to be) a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain, and the guiding force in the 'Left Caucus' from the outset was the CPGB. The CPGB's success in getting first Straw and then Jacks elected to
the NUS presidency established student unionism as a form of student politics with serious leftwing political pretensions; it gave to student unionism a gravitational pull on ambitious leftwing students which it had never previously had, and it forced IS and the IMG to reorient themselves to student unionism to counter the CPGB's success in this arena, although their presence in it merely reinforced the CPGB's influence."
See:
Labour's leadership and student politics
Official: Born in Essex in August 1946, Jack Straw went to Private Brentwood School. He then read law at Leeds University and qualified to practice as a barrister. He worked as a barrister until 1974 (3yrs). From 1974-77 he worked as a political advisor to Labour governments. He then worked as a television journalist until 1979. He married Alice Perkins in 1978 and they have two children. Jack Straw has been MP for Blackburn since 1979.
Biography
Self declared Stalinist Jack Straw said after Blair's New World Order speech at the 2001 Labour Conference that "the day of the nation state is over",and that the biggest threat to the UK is "English Nationalism" so continuing a policy of treason against the people of England.
Links with Old Labour
It has recently been discovered that many Old Labour supporters were truly KGB agents. This is important because, as the Labour General Secretary Ron Hayward pointed out, the way forward for 1970's communists was through recruitment of the next generation.
Jack Jones and Alec Kitson
Jack Jones, head of the TUC, during the turbulent 1970s was a Soviet agent. See KGB Colonel says he paid Jack Jones, Jack Jones worked for KGB , Union boss sold secrets to KGB and Reaching through the iron curtain. This might seem innocuous but the unions bankrolled Labour and labour MPs are usually trained within the unions. His union sponsored and trained Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair, Margaret Beckett, Harriet Harman and John Reid. It is impossible to believe that these individuals were not moles given that the two top jobs in the union were held by Jones and Kitson who were both KGB agents.
Jenny Little
Jenny Little, the secretary of Labour NEC's International Committee was working with the Soviets. See also Spectator article.
A quote from the Observer article:
"The Observer, August 25, 2002 The old communists of New Labour by Peter Oborne:
(clip) The influence of the Communist Party on New Labour has been neglected. One day it will be an important subject for a dissertation or PhD by a university graduate. It is not merely the case that a significant number of figures in the Government machine - John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few - belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain in all its King Street grandeur. Many others - Stephen Byers and Alan Milburn among them - were connected in one way or another with the obscure sub-Marxist organisations that abounded in the 1970s, doing their best to tear down capitalism. Even those, like Jack Straw, who had no Marxist sympathies at all, were obliged to come to terms with communist methods and adversaries in the shadowy internecine struggles of the 1970s and 1980s. It is these methods - as opposed to the now despised Marxist dogma about ownership of the means of production - that have endured to influence the Blair Government. Millbank admittedly borrowed its technology - rebuttal units, the Excalibur computer etc - from the United States. But the obsessive secrecy, centralisation and intolerance of dissent which were such overwhelming characteristics of the Millbank operation reek of the CPGB. David Triesman was a significant figure of the Euro-communist movement of the 1970s, an attempt to give communism a 'human face'. Thirty years on and he is attempting a comparable exercise with New Labour. It turns out that 2002 is New Labour's climacteric year. If Clarke and Triesman succeed, and a thousand flowers bloom, they will secure Labour's
position as the natural party of government for decades to come. If they fail, they will make the party ungovernable and sow the seeds of long-term decline."
See
this link for a US copy of this Observer article that can no longer be accessed
In the 1970s, during the formative years of the New Labour elite, the Soviet Embassy used to provide Socialist Societies in British Universities with information packs on how to foment revolution. The key policy in these packs was the destruction of national morale and culture and the encouragement of mass immigration was an explicit objective. Incidentally, anyone could just write to the Soviet Embassy and ask for this literature, Britain is a free society. See London needs immigrants Labour wanted mass migration - as Neather says "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Could New Labour have been deliberately trying to undermine English society?
The leading lights of New Labour were teenagers who were disaffected with their parents or alienated by their schools in the late 1960s and 1970s. They took up left wing politics in the 1970s and joined the shadowy "Socialist Societies" of the student left that were initially organised by the Communist Party of Great Britain and, this being the Cold War, were ultimately resourced from the Soviet Union. They were instructed to infiltrate the establishment and succeeded, especially in infiltrating the Labour Party and Unions. Ron Hayward, the Labour Party General Secretary boasted to his Kremlin handlers that:
"I am the first Labour leader in British history who is not afraid to come out alongside Communists with the same agenda', he said, boasting that he prepared like-minded young people, put them in the right places and helped them to become prominent." Daily Mail 6th November 2009
The strangest aspect of this affair is that the British Intelligence Services were riddled with KGB agents and communists yet the electorate has a problem understanding that the whole of the British Left was and is infiltrated by people who are slyly acting in bad faith, against the interests of the population. Bad faith is not illegal, you can't be arrested for being a secret psychopathic maoist or trotskyist even if you are Home Secretary. The colleagues of these subversives know there is a problem and have tried to warn us that these people pose as our friends but are actually destroying our society like robotic devices from some long forgotten war:
"Mark Seddon, a member of the party's ruling National Executive Committee, said New Labour's desire for central control stemmed from many of its members' pasts in far-left groups. He cites John Reid, the Secretary of State for Scotland, Alan Milburn, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, and Kim Howells, the Consumer Affairs minister, as Government members who had roots in either the Communist Party or the International Socialists." Independent Newspaper article
Why do we believe those who were trained to deceive?
Many of the British electorate and our American Allies are unaware of the background of these people, it is our duty to tell them. It is even more extraordinary that most Britons who are under 40 years old and know little of the Cold War would call this history a "conspiracy theory", they will never wake up to the fact that it is a conspiracy but not a theory.
The irony of this whole sorry tale is that the USSR collapsed before the subversives got power. All they could do was vandalism, crashing the global economy (Brown's banking changes) and deliberately importing millions of people from overseas to change the country forever. They have also left us with a Postmarxist Labour Party that is fanatically internationalist and cares not a jot for the ordinary people of England.
Postscript
I wrote a whole section here on how this left wing bias had probably corrupted Britain but I do not know the actual intentions of the politicians. "Bearded Socialist" has a point - I cannot know for sure. All I can say is I do not believe those who were trained to deceive.
POLITICAL THOUGHTS click here to see the whole POLITICAL THOUGHTS magazine POLITICAL THOUGHTS!
The Labour Shadow Cabinet - Milliband's Mockneys
Is Labour any more than the Public Sector Party?
Peter Mandelson (first Secretary of State and Labour Supremo):
"Mr Mandelson was born into a Labour family - his grandfather was a Labour Cabinet minister Herbert Morrison - but he rebelled and joined the Young Communist League after Labour supported the United States' intervention in Vietnam. It was during this period that he attracted the well-documented attention of the MI5 intelligence service."
BBC Biography
He, along with Clarke and other labour politicians spent time in Cuba in 1978 (see below - Cuba was the main training camp for Cold War terrorists and subversives).
Charles Clarke (one time Home Secretary and Education Secretary)
"He was educated at Highgate School and later King's College, Cambridge, gaining a BA in maths and economics. Mr Clarke was president of the NUS from 1975 to 1977 before becoming a councillor in Hackney from 1980 to 1986. Interestingly, as a radical Marxist he spent a whole year in Cuba, organising the 1978 World Youth Festival, which was also attended by future New Labour modernisers Peter Mandelson, Paul Boateng (ex Chief Secretary to the Treasury) and Fiona McTaggart (ex Under Secretary of State)."
Guardian
Profile
Alistair Darling (Chancellor of the Exchequer):
"Darling attended the University of Aberdeen and earned a Bachelor of Laws. In 1977, Darling was a supporter of the International Marxist Group, part of the Trotskyist Fourth International."
Evening Standard article
Alan Johnson (Home Secretary)
Johnson, currently Home Secretary, is quoted as saying: "I wasn't a Trot," he insists. "I was more CPGB [Communist Party of Great Britain]. I did consider myself to be a Marxist - I read more chapters of Das Kapital than Harold Wilson."
New Statesman biography
John Reid (one time Minister of Defence, Home Secretary and Northern Ireland Secretary):
"I have known John Reid as a Communist, as a member of the Scottish Labour party and now as a general in the New Labour Army. His march across this ideological battlefield has been seamless with not a hint of embarrassment. But John is an able person, one of the most able in New Labour's high command. They put him up to deliver the message. And they are right, he is a very capable, articulate figure," said George Galloway, the Labour MP for Glasgow Kelvin.
Guardian
letter
Bob Ainsworth (Minister of Defence)
"In a number of newspaper stories last week, it was suggested that the latest Defence Secretary, Bob Ainsworth, had been - at the age of 30 - a 'candidate member' of a body called the 'International Marxist Group'. The IMG, originally associated with the prominent student revolutionary Tariq Ali, was a Trotskyist group active in the 1970s and 1980s, whose members at one stage adopted the slogan "Victory to the IRA"."
Daily Mail
Steven Byers
Stephen Byers was once an activist in the Socialist Workers Party.
Alan Milburn (one time Health Secretary)
Marxist. "He famously worked in a Marxist bookshop in Newcastle formally called Days of Hope".
Charlie Whelan (Ex advisor to Gordon Brown)
Communist party member: "John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few - belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain" Observer article August 2002 - see below.
David Triesman (once General Secretary of Labour Party)
Communist party member.
Gordon Brown:
"While Tony read for the bar, Gordon was doing his doctorate on James Maxton an idealistic Clydeside MP from the Marxist ILP."
BBC Biography
The decision to give Gordon Brown his first and only safe seat, Dunfermline East, was made by two T&G officials: Hugh Wyper, the regional boss and a Communist Party member , Deputy Director of the TUC and KGB agent, Alec Kitson.
Jack Straw (Minister of Justice):
Joined Labour Party at 14!
According to his own letter in the Independent newspaper Jack Straw is a Self avowed stalinist . (The Independent has now removed Straw's letter to sanitise New Labour).
President National Union of Students 1969-71 (aged 25).
A quote from someone who knew him at that time:
"Novelty and staying power were combined only in the third kind of student politics, student unionism. This did not really exist before 1968-9. Its arrival was signalled by the election of Jack Straw to the presidency of the National Union of Students in 1969 at the head of a slate backed by something in the shadows called the 'Left Caucus'. And its existence was consolidated by the election of Digby Jacks as Straw's successor in 1971. Jacks was (and was widely known to be) a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain, and the guiding force in the 'Left Caucus' from the outset was the CPGB. The CPGB's success in getting first Straw and then Jacks elected to
the NUS presidency established student unionism as a form of student politics with serious leftwing political pretensions; it gave to student unionism a gravitational pull on ambitious leftwing students which it had never previously had, and it forced IS and the IMG to reorient themselves to student unionism to counter the CPGB's success in this arena, although their presence in it merely reinforced the CPGB's influence."
See:
Labour's leadership and student politics
Official: Born in Essex in August 1946, Jack Straw went to Private Brentwood School. He then read law at Leeds University and qualified to practice as a barrister. He worked as a barrister until 1974 (3yrs). From 1974-77 he worked as a political advisor to Labour governments. He then worked as a television journalist until 1979. He married Alice Perkins in 1978 and they have two children. Jack Straw has been MP for Blackburn since 1979.
Biography
Self declared Stalinist Jack Straw said after Blair's New World Order speech at the 2001 Labour Conference that "the day of the nation state is over",and that the biggest threat to the UK is "English Nationalism" so continuing a policy of treason against the people of England.
Links with Old Labour
It has recently been discovered that many Old Labour supporters were truly KGB agents. This is important because, as the Labour General Secretary Ron Hayward pointed out, the way forward for 1970's communists was through recruitment of the next generation.
Jack Jones and Alec Kitson
Jack Jones, head of the TUC, during the turbulent 1970s was a Soviet agent. See KGB Colonel says he paid Jack Jones, Jack Jones worked for KGB , Union boss sold secrets to KGB and Reaching through the iron curtain. This might seem innocuous but the unions bankrolled Labour and labour MPs are usually trained within the unions. His union sponsored and trained Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair, Margaret Beckett, Harriet Harman and John Reid. It is impossible to believe that these individuals were not moles given that the two top jobs in the union were held by Jones and Kitson who were both KGB agents.
Jenny Little
Jenny Little, the secretary of Labour NEC's International Committee was working with the Soviets. See also Spectator article.
A quote from the Observer article:
"The Observer, August 25, 2002 The old communists of New Labour by Peter Oborne:
(clip) The influence of the Communist Party on New Labour has been neglected. One day it will be an important subject for a dissertation or PhD by a university graduate. It is not merely the case that a significant number of figures in the Government machine - John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few - belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain in all its King Street grandeur. Many others - Stephen Byers and Alan Milburn among them - were connected in one way or another with the obscure sub-Marxist organisations that abounded in the 1970s, doing their best to tear down capitalism. Even those, like Jack Straw, who had no Marxist sympathies at all, were obliged to come to terms with communist methods and adversaries in the shadowy internecine struggles of the 1970s and 1980s. It is these methods - as opposed to the now despised Marxist dogma about ownership of the means of production - that have endured to influence the Blair Government. Millbank admittedly borrowed its technology - rebuttal units, the Excalibur computer etc - from the United States. But the obsessive secrecy, centralisation and intolerance of dissent which were such overwhelming characteristics of the Millbank operation reek of the CPGB. David Triesman was a significant figure of the Euro-communist movement of the 1970s, an attempt to give communism a 'human face'. Thirty years on and he is attempting a comparable exercise with New Labour. It turns out that 2002 is New Labour's climacteric year. If Clarke and Triesman succeed, and a thousand flowers bloom, they will secure Labour's
position as the natural party of government for decades to come. If they fail, they will make the party ungovernable and sow the seeds of long-term decline."
See
this link for a US copy of this Observer article that can no longer be accessed
In the 1970s, during the formative years of the New Labour elite, the Soviet Embassy used to provide Socialist Societies in British Universities with information packs on how to foment revolution. The key policy in these packs was the destruction of national morale and culture and the encouragement of mass immigration was an explicit objective. Incidentally, anyone could just write to the Soviet Embassy and ask for this literature, Britain is a free society. See London needs immigrants Labour wanted mass migration - as Neather says "I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Could New Labour have been deliberately trying to undermine English society?
The leading lights of New Labour were teenagers who were disaffected with their parents or alienated by their schools in the late 1960s and 1970s. They took up left wing politics in the 1970s and joined the shadowy "Socialist Societies" of the student left that were initially organised by the Communist Party of Great Britain and, this being the Cold War, were ultimately resourced from the Soviet Union. They were instructed to infiltrate the establishment and succeeded, especially in infiltrating the Labour Party and Unions. Ron Hayward, the Labour Party General Secretary boasted to his Kremlin handlers that:
"I am the first Labour leader in British history who is not afraid to come out alongside Communists with the same agenda', he said, boasting that he prepared like-minded young people, put them in the right places and helped them to become prominent." Daily Mail 6th November 2009
The strangest aspect of this affair is that the British Intelligence Services were riddled with KGB agents and communists yet the electorate has a problem understanding that the whole of the British Left was and is infiltrated by people who are slyly acting in bad faith, against the interests of the population. Bad faith is not illegal, you can't be arrested for being a secret psychopathic maoist or trotskyist even if you are Home Secretary. The colleagues of these subversives know there is a problem and have tried to warn us that these people pose as our friends but are actually destroying our society like robotic devices from some long forgotten war:
"Mark Seddon, a member of the party's ruling National Executive Committee, said New Labour's desire for central control stemmed from many of its members' pasts in far-left groups. He cites John Reid, the Secretary of State for Scotland, Alan Milburn, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, and Kim Howells, the Consumer Affairs minister, as Government members who had roots in either the Communist Party or the International Socialists." Independent Newspaper article
Why do we believe those who were trained to deceive?
Many of the British electorate and our American Allies are unaware of the background of these people, it is our duty to tell them. It is even more extraordinary that most Britons who are under 40 years old and know little of the Cold War would call this history a "conspiracy theory", they will never wake up to the fact that it is a conspiracy but not a theory.
The irony of this whole sorry tale is that the USSR collapsed before the subversives got power. All they could do was vandalism, crashing the global economy (Brown's banking changes) and deliberately importing millions of people from overseas to change the country forever. They have also left us with a Postmarxist Labour Party that is fanatically internationalist and cares not a jot for the ordinary people of England.
Postscript
I wrote a whole section here on how this left wing bias had probably corrupted Britain but I do not know the actual intentions of the politicians. "Bearded Socialist" has a point - I cannot know for sure. All I can say is I do not believe those who were trained to deceive.
POLITICAL THOUGHTS click here to see the whole POLITICAL THOUGHTS magazine POLITICAL THOUGHTS!
The Labour Shadow Cabinet - Milliband's Mockneys
Is Labour any more than the Public Sector Party?
Comments
Many in the Labour party spent time in ultra-left Looney organisations before joining Labour, that does not mean they are communists now, or trying to bring the system down or anything like that.
lots of people join ultra-left groups to try and change the world, but then grow up and realise Labour is a far better machine for change than the SWP, so they moderate. there are some like Galloway and Tony Benn who make their careers by being so far left no one can get within an ideological mile of them, but these are the ones who never get anything done.
Secondly I was there in the seventies, at some of these Socialist Society meetings and know that subversion was the accepted objective. These extremists did not intend to behave democratically and say "these are my views, what do you think?", they knew that their views were unacceptable so were determined to keep quiet and infiltrate the establishment rather than act democratically.
Yes, these ultra leftists who infiltrated the establishment have managed to get things done by subverting the system but they have been operating in bad faith, undemocratically. Many people feel that English society is in crisis, well that would not be surprising if the government itself is inclined towards destroying English culture and sovereignty.
Mandelson et al are certainly not that way inclined now.
I'm sympathetic towards your views most of the way, though i disagree. However I think your closing bit is nuts "the government itself is inclined towards destroying English culture and sovereignty. "
BTW in the life of Mao we see a callous anti-humanism that was worse than any racism in history.
John: "...the government itself is inclined towards destroying English culture and sovereignty."
I would say both these statements are faily accurate.
they differ over style and sometimes tactics. When Marxism became fused with Leninism
and made its first conquest in Russia, these differences became the center of debate between
the two groups. Karl Marx said the world was divided into two camps eternally at war with
each other. One was the working class, which he called the proletariat, and the other was the
wealthy class, those who owned the land and the means of production. This class he called
the bourgeoisie.
Fabians were never enthusiastic over this class-conflict view, probably because most
of them were bourgeoisie, but Lenin and Stalin accepted it wholeheartedly. Lenin described
the Communist Party as the “vanguard of the proletariat,” and it became a mechanism for
total and ruthless war against anyone who even remotely could be considered bourgeoisie.
When the Bolsheviks (Zionists N.M.)came to power in Russia, landowners and shopkeepers were
slaughtered by the tens of thousands.
This brutality offended the sensibilities of the more genteel Fabians. It’s not that
Fabians are opposed to force and violence to accomplish their goals, it’s just that they prefer
it as a last resort, whereas the Leninists were running amuck in Russia implementing a plan
of deliberate terror and brutality. Fabians admired the Soviet system because it was based on
collectivism but they were shocked at what they considered to be needless bloodshed. It was
a disagreement over style. When Lenin became the master of Russia, many of the Fabians
joined the Communist Party thinking that it would become the vanguard of world Socialism.
They likely would have stayed there if they hadn’t been offended by the brutality of the
regime.
To understand the love-hate relationship between these two groups we must never
lose sight of the fact that Leninism and Fabianism are merely variants of collectivism. Their
similarities are much greater than their differences. That is why their members often move
from one group to the other – or why some of them are actually members of both groups at
the same time. Leninists and Fabians are usually friendly with each other.
All Labour PMs have been/are Fabians!
Today there are 300 in Westminster.
Not only in the Labour party.
Query- Why would so many bankers be Fabians too?
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/religion_cults/news.php?q=1252088437
Fabian' were behind the Abbo kids being removed from their parents to remove and purify the race...nice people eh?
OUR GOVERNMENT!
collectivism is a very different thing, rooted in the principle that some things are so important that the rich should pay their share, which is more because they have more. The NHS is an example of this principle put to good use, where the rich benefit from having healthy workers so they pay for it. On top of that is the blindingly obvious moral arguement that people shouldn't starve or go without healthcare when some are very rich in comparison.
This laudible principle doesn't always go right in practice
Labour – Jack Straw
“The English are potentially very aggressive, very violent”
Labour
John Prescott – “There is no such nationality as English”
Labour - Gordon Brown
“the Nations & Regions of Britain” [Note Scotland, Wales & N Irleand are Nations - England is only a collection of Regions !]
Conservative & Unionist Dave Cameron
“I’ll take on the sour Little Englanders, I’ll fight them all the way”.
Conservative & Unionist William Hague
“English Nationalism is the most dangerous of all forms of nationalism”.
Liberal Democrats – Charlie Kennedy
Said that breaking England up into EU Regions is good because “it is calling into question the idea of England itself”.
The part of England that hates communists because it hates centralization and big government, but the gets every major government department, job and all the centralized power in Southern England.
The part of England that gets all the power, wealth and government jobs while it claims it hates government and government jobs.
The part of England that voted Thacther to close down coal mines, steel works because it hates subsidies but then keeps all the government civil service jobs in its greedy belly.
The part of England that controls the newspapers the culture the TV, the media. Every organization is centered in London, and the south east, and forced by the English elites to centre in London.
The part of England that cries as if it was Tibet abused by the Chinese, every time a scot runs the country, yet thinks nothing of the fact and Englishmen woman is the unelected head of state of dozens of countries it invaded.
The part of England that forces it culture and language by the sword on countless nations and races with genocide and oppression.
Yes English tory vlaues cand go away. Well no wonder we fight your values.
Your oppression and abuses will come to and end one day I assure you.
To you devolution is a conspiacy to me it is freedom from oppression and explotation.
I am against sly politicians who say they represent the workers but really represent some corrupt ideology from the past or the self interest of big business and the rich.
Dont vote Labour, Tory or Lib-Dem!